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Summer Transfer Talk '14


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any transfer talk is a mute point until our EPL (just for you Gaz! lol) status is confirmed
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Right I understand people criticising his tactics and some of his signings whether you believe it's due to contraints or not, but it is beyond me how people can't see that selling the high earners and creating a bomb squad was the orders from above, we could have had any manager in the world take over and those exact same players would have all been treated the same because Lerner wanted them gone due to cost.

Biggest load of shite i have read on this site for quite some time. High earners put in the bomb squad, im assuming you are going to say Lerner told Lambert which players he was allowed to use aswel then yh?

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AK this is lerners club and he controls the finances, he's even said himself he has set the parameters that lambert is working under. and that will include getting rid of the bomb squad. if you can't see that then fine but to make a statement such as the above if even more ridiculous given all the evidence pointing towards lerners purse string tightening

telling the manger certain players have to be sold is very different to picking a squad, next you'll be saying that lerner has no say in transfers and what is spent??

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Lambert has to try and take the team forward without these players as the owner wants to sell them, what's the point in him playing them? Nzogbia is injured given was player but it was clear he wasn't as good as guzan so why keep him behind closed doors when he can go on loan Hutton likewise, bent he tried to use him and now he's on loan apparently Fulham are covering his wage and Ireland was the same as bent almost.

There has to be a balance between taking the club forward for the future which was the plan, even though it's not worked it was the plan, playing player who ARE going to get sold at some point is only going to stunt the growth. Whether you agree with the plan or not it's part of lerners plan to cut costs.

We will never agree on anything so it's pointless but IMO it's Lerners plan to get rid of the high earners and lambert is just putting that plan into place, we were never going to get what we paid for the players you mentioned so damage limitation is getting the wages off the books.

The point is that a players value goes down if he isn't being used, seeing how we want to make money that isn't good business sense. Especially as some of those players could have done a job.

N'Zogbia has had a Achilles' tendon injury for a year. He injured that whilst on holiday... Given a squad number along with the 'bomb squad'... I bet Benteke's Achilles problem won't last that long! Just a theory admittedly, but Lambert's history at Villa does not help him.

Guzan may be better than Given now, but no way was a championship club covering his wages. So what's viable sense is sending out Jed Steer on loan to gain valuable experience, not have him sitting behind Guzan doing nothing when we are paying Given anyway.

Is Hutton worse than Lowton or Bacuna at right back? Not a chance! More expensive maybe, but again no championship club will take on his whole wage meaning we are still paying him.

Fulham are not covering Bent's whole wage. I know this from the horses mouth. Rate him or not. He wouldn't have done any worse than Helenius, Bowery, Holt or Kozak this year. All Lambert's signings, and I agree that he can't plan injuries but still we are paying wages for all of them.

Ireland won fan's player of the year because of a few good performances. Why? Because he was light years ahead of any other player we had; when he could be arsed. Lambert got rid still. Maybe forced, maybe not. Either way we paid a year and half of his wages still.

Stating that we will never agree is childish.

I do agree that we would never get the fees back, but a smaller fee is better than no fee. Especially when said players could have made a difference to the side.

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Stating we'll never agree is a fact no childish, we look at things in a totally different way, also you wouldn't bother responding to me if you agreed, that's something I'm fairly certain of.

A newspaper article printed yesterday stated that bents entire wage was being covered by Fulham, are you telling me that Bent has told you this isn't the case? I highly doubt he has told you this!

As for your opinion on hat the players would have contributed that's your opinion. If those players are getting played and playing as poorly as they were under Mctit then their value would not be any better than it is now so sending them out gets all or most of their wages off of the books and if they're not playing and not on loan it's more likely they'll leave if they never play than if we keep playing them in the hope that they'll come good at the expense of the current "young and hungry" players. Lerner put lambert in place to do a job. It wasn't just to cut the wage bill it was to cut the wage bill and make the club successfull on a budget, this isn't going to happen by playin the likes of the bomb squad who are just as crap as the rest of the squad at the expense of trying to develope other younger players, yes it may not have worked out but not all plans do, doesn't mean that the plan wasn't in place.

As for nzogbia he had an Achilles injury and he's not exactly the youngest, these injuries are notoriously difficult to come back from. How do you know that he's just not that good anymore ?? You don't

The ONLY fact we actually know is that Lerner wants to cut the wage bill, and he has put "certain parameters" on the operation of the club by his own admition. Do you honestly think that if lambert had a real choice he would have shipped ALL of them Out instantly??

Maybe he would have over time but not in the way he did, and it had the total backing of Lerner even though we looked almost doomed to go down!! That's not the actions of a chairman who had no part in the process. to cut the wage bill you have to get rid of the high earners, although you may lose some on the transfer fees Lerner is more concerned about the yearly wage bill:turnover ratio, especially if selling the club is his main aim, get the books looking right will get him a bigger pay day for the sale than a one off transfer sum coming in.

Easiest way to p*ss off and be rid of those wages is stop them from doing their job, eventually those players will realise sitting and doing nothing while getting £50k a week for the next 3 years could be the end of their career OR they could leave now and get £30k a year for the next 6 years!

Thing is none of those players are that good and that's obvious for a few reasons, the main one being that these players have not died, teams still know who they are and what they are capable of YET not a single one has come in and offered real cash to buy them other than Ireland after he's been loaned out!! That tells you that it's not just lambert that doesn't think they're that good. If gabby wasn't the villa boy he would also has gone and ALL the high earners would be gone.

If Lerner wasn't behind this don't you think lambert would have been sacked a long long time ago? The club has been in self destruct mode for a long time now and the transfer policy has been one of the main reasons for this, of this was all down to lambert and Lerner is a good bussinessman as you suggest lambert would have lost his job as he's damaging the stock of the entire club not just one player of we go down, but if we stay up and cut the wage bill and like suggested we've saved a huge amount in sending the likes of bent and Ireland out on loan we have a prem club with healthy books and very saleable, the way we've so drastically changed HAS to have the backing and full cooperation of the owner.

Here's a link to the article about the club where it states Fulham are covering bents £3m a year pay packet, it states it just after the picture of the league table.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2618285/Aston-Villa-owner-Randy-Lerner-desperate-sell-Christian-Benteke-injured-Paul-Lambert-faced-calls-resign-relegation-haunts-club.html

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I agreed that we would never get the fees back, so stating that we wouldn't agree as a fact is completely wrong.

You are constantly trying to claim things as fact, yet they are as much your opinion as my post was mine. Difference is that I know the difference.

Ahh the daily mail: the epitome of truth!

I have not once said that Lerner wasn't behind this, obviously we have made cuts. My point is that still what business sense is not utilising players that we are still paying when they can do a job? Can they do much worse than we have at the moment? That is Lambert's job. He chooses the side unless you think that is down to Lerner also.

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I agreed that we would never get the fees back, so stating that we wouldn't agree as a fact is completely wrong.

You are constantly trying to claim things as fact, yet they are as much your opinion as my post was mine. Difference is that I know the difference.

Ahh the daily mail: the epitome of truth!

I have not once said that Lerner wasn't behind this, obviously we have made cuts. My point is that still what business sense is not utilising players that we are still paying when they can do a job? Can they do much worse than we have at the moment? That is Lambert's job. He chooses the side unless you think that is down to Lerner also.

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Needs to learn the difference between fact and opinion

With you Karl on the subject aswel though

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I agreed that we would never get the fees back, so stating that we wouldn't agree as a fact is completely wrong.

You are constantly trying to claim things as fact, yet they are as much your opinion as my post was mine. Difference is that I know the difference.

Ahh the daily mail: the epitome of truth!

I have not once said that Lerner wasn't behind this, obviously we have made cuts. My point is that still what business sense is not utilising players that we are still paying when they can do a job? Can they do much worse than we have at the moment? That is Lambert's job. He chooses the side unless you think that is down to Lerner also.

At what point have I said its a fact?? No didn't think so!!

It's my opinion, but even you admit that Lerner has asked for the costs to be cut, and I think it's fairly obvious that it was Lerner who asked for the bomb squad to be got rid of. THATS MY OPINION!! Just because I'm saying to fairly obvious doesn't mean I think it's fact It means I think the facts point to that situation.

I personally think that those players wouldn't do any better which they proved under Mctit, and I have explained to you how IMO Lerner thinks this is the right way to go financialy.

As for your dig at the mail, I agree no newspaper can be trusted but I'd personally trust that article from someone who's job it is to know over your say so unless you disclosed who it was that told you.

You have this idea that I think everything is fact just because I argue my point, surely the same stands for you because you have argued your point also??

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Needs to learn the difference between fact and opinion

With you Karl on the subject aswel though

I'm sorry AK but you are seriously going to go there!!! The person who claims everyone is deluded if they disagree about any of the players being crap??

Come on!!

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At what point have I said its a fact?? No didn't think so!! It's my opinion, but even you admit that Lerner has asked for the costs to be cut, and I think it's fairly obvious that it was Lerner who asked for the bomb squad to be got rid of. THATS MY OPINION!! Just because I'm saying to fairly obvious doesn't mean I think it's fact It means I think the facts point to that situation. I personally think that those players wouldn't do any better which they proved under Mctit, and I have explained to you how IMO Lerner thinks this is the right way to go financialy. As for your dig at the mail, I agree no newspaper can be trusted but I'd personally trust that article from someone who's job it is to know over your say so unless you disclosed who it was that told you. You have this idea that I think everything is fact just because I argue my point, surely the same stands for you because you have argued your point also??
Nope, I have the idea because you state "fact" after most things. Argue all you like, I personally enjoy your different opinion.
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