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Ciaran Clark (2009-2016)

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He cant be any worse than our so called defence so give him a chance am

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Completely agree carrzee, how he hasn't got a game yet is untrue. The likes of Collins and Dunne are great shot blockers and at last ditched defending but my word they can't play with the ball or even run fast for poop! And who wants last ditched defending when you can try and defend normally.

He'd be in my 11 by 2 games back now minimum.

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i really feel for the lad--last season when we needed him he sweated it out in midfield, surely that last gasp equaliser at The Bridge which brought Randy skimming down the aisles must not be forgotten--now he can,t get a game- totally unbelieveable---f*****g disgrace imo,-- he has lost his Irish call up and desperately needs and is warranted first team football to open Trappy,s eyes again, he sure aint as bad as any of the clowns that wore the shirt last night,

as ive said before if he aint playing expect a transfer request -and i for one would,nt blame him in the slightest, when weve got dead heads getting the nod ahead of him,

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If he aint given a go next game then im going to have trouble defending AM. Both goals against Spurs were Collins fault yet he seems like he is Mr untouchable at CB for us. I would drop Collins out of the 18 for next week. I still think Cuellar and Dunne are the best CB's at the club but with Cuellar more then likely to leave next summer or maybe even in Jan surely Clark must get more prem game time. This season is all about given kids experience and to see who can cut it and Clark needs a good run in the team.

Swansea will be a good game for him as Collins can not cope with the quick pace of Sinclair, Dyer and Routledge

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i think maybe one of the biggest problems is am is afraid, hes afraid of losing and relys on experience, he wont give to many young guys a chance because as i said hes afraid, he hasnt got a clue. i dont like the idea of changing managers as of yet but i cant see us improving under him.

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i think maybe one of the biggest problems is am is afraid, hes afraid of losing and relys on experience, he wont give to many young guys a chance because as i said hes afraid, he hasnt got a clue. i dont like the idea of changing managers as of yet but i cant see us improving under him.

aggree,why so afraid as randy won't sack him.

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I know some people will say if he was good enough he would be playing but on the evidence of what we have seen I can't for the life of me understand why he hasn't been involved .

Ever since that debut man of the match display against Fulham , his 2 Irish caps and the heart he showed last season playing here there and everywhere grabbing 4 goals along the way .Stood up and was counted in the middle of a shambolic season .

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I completely agree,, I can't understand what AM is doing picking the players he is, The only problem is we really need to bring 2 players into the back 4 and we only have one Clark can play at left back or center back but he can't cover both positions in the same match

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I know some people will say if he was good enough he would be playing but on the evidence of what we have seen I can't for the life of me understand why he hasn't been involved .

Ever since that debut man of the match display against Fulham , his 2 Irish caps and the heart he showed last season playing here there and everywhere grabbing 4 goals along the way .Stood up and was counted in the middle of a shambolic season .

Absolutely bang spot on Dublin---gets a +1 from me----this "if he was good enough" is garbage man, its all about opinions and manager/player relationships,MON gave him a couple so did Gerard --then the lad got injured,lost his Irish place and so far A.M,.aint seen the light to play him---well after Monday,s debarcle anyone of 6 could be dropped or rested or whatever its called these days and Clark would//should step into their shoes and more than admirably fill em---as you have implied he.is fully adaptable ,and i fully believe Ciaran Clark is the most versatile player we have!!

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I completely agree,, I can't understand what AM is doing picking the players he is, The only problem is we really need to bring 2 players into the back 4 and we only have one Clark can play at left back or center back but he can't cover both positions in the same match

We have just sent out on loan to Millwall a young kid who can fit in at LB-- Nathan Baker!! unless A.M. is thinking to give Warrior Warnock a month to improve?? if he don,t Baker will be match ready and might well tumble straigt into the LB berth---lets face it the kid will grow up fast down Cold Blow Lane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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We have just sent out on loan to Millwall a young kid who can fit in at LB-- Nathan Baker!! unless A.M. is thinking to give Warrior Warnock a month to improve?? if he don,t Baker will be match ready and might well tumble straigt into the LB berth---lets face it the kid will grow up fast down Cold Blow Lane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Good point he played there well last season when given the chance, and he will be match fit when he comes back

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I have said it on a couple threads now. This is three managers in a row that have picked Collins and Dunne over Clark, and two in a row that have picked a horrible Collins and Dunne over Clark. Trust the coaches. This might be hard to understand, but they understand football better than you do. That is why they are getting paid to do it.

This is actually an interesting difference between American and English sports fans. It seems the English feel they have a right to tell their clubs who to hire and what players to play, and you don't see that as much in American sports.

Just something interesting I have noticed.

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I have said it on a couple threads now. This is three managers in a row that have picked Collins and Dunne over Clark, and two in a row that have picked a horrible Collins and Dunne over Clark. Trust the coaches. This might be hard to understand, but they understand football better than you do. That is why they are getting paid to do it.

This is actually an interesting difference between American and English sports fans. It seems the English feel they have a right to tell their clubs who to hire and what players to play, and you don't see that as much in American sports.

Just something interesting I have noticed.

Say 3 managers in a row, yet Clark was younger and less experienced than he would be now despite his lack of game time. So an unfair assessment. Also I'm sure last season Clark got a fair bit of game time in a Houlier team that was trying to play football, that says something. If I'm mistaken an injury then pushed him down that pecking order.

Also Clark has made one mistake which I can remember, against Chelsea at the bridge, I'm he then went and equalised up the other end to grab us that draw. When played he has looked more solid, more composed and a lot lot better on the ball than any of our back four at the moment, or even Herd for that matter in the middle of the park.

Whereas Collins has time and time again made mistake after mistake, game after game. Just because you are paid to do something whereas others aren't, doesn't mean that a) you always know best, and b.) that you don't make wrong decisions.

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Say 3 managers in a row, yet Clark was younger and less experienced than he would be now despite his lack of game time. So an unfair assessment. Also I'm sure last season Clark got a fair bit of game time in a Houlier team that was trying to play football, that says something. If I'm mistaken an injury then pushed him down that pecking order.

Also Clark has made one mistake which I can remember, against Chelsea at the bridge, I'm he then went and equalised up the other end to grab us that draw. When played he has looked more solid, more composed and a lot lot better on the ball than any of our back four at the moment, or even Herd for that matter in the middle of the park.

Whereas Collins has time and time again made mistake after mistake, game after game. Just because you are paid to do something whereas others aren't, doesn't mean that a) you always know best, and b.) that you make wrong decisions.

He did not get time at CB under Houllier, and he was certainly old enough then.

I can accept that AM and Houllier A. Get to see the players everyday B. Know more than me about football. That does not mean they are mistake free, but at least two professional, EPL managers in a row have consistently choosen Collins and Dunne over him (and Cuellar for that matter). In your view, that would mean that, combined, AM and GH and Kevin Macdonald and McAllister have mad several hundred mistakes. There was also no indication Oneill planned a big role for him either, and he is the one that most people considered tactically savvy.

Bottom line. If you are good enough, you force your way in. He hasn't.

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Say 3 managers in a row, yet Clark was younger and less experienced than he would be now despite his lack of game time. So an unfair assessment. Also I'm sure last season Clark got a fair bit of game time in a Houlier team that was trying to play football, that says something. If I'm mistaken an injury then pushed him down that pecking order.

Also Clark has made one mistake which I can remember, against Chelsea at the bridge, I'm he then went and equalised up the other end to grab us that draw. When played he has looked more solid, more composed and a lot lot better on the ball than any of our back four at the moment, or even Herd for that matter in the middle of the park.

Whereas Collins has time and time again made mistake after mistake, game after game. Just because you are paid to do something whereas others aren't, doesn't mean that a) you always know best, and b.) that you don't make wrong decisions.

Well said very good post !

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Say 3 managers in a row, yet Clark was younger and less experienced than he would be now despite his lack of game time. So an unfair assessment. Also I'm sure last season Clark got a fair bit of game time in a Houlier team that was trying to play football, that says something. If I'm mistaken an injury then pushed him down that pecking order.

Also Clark has made one mistake which I can remember, against Chelsea at the bridge, I'm he then went and equalised up the other end to grab us that draw. When played he has looked more solid, more composed and a lot lot better on the ball than any of our back four at the moment, or even Herd for that matter in the middle of the park.

Whereas Collins has time and time again made mistake after mistake, game after game. Just because you are paid to do something whereas others aren't, doesn't mean that a) you always know best, and b.) that you make wrong decisions.

Bang on Karl fully agree with ya man, Clark aint really let us down whenever he,s donned the shirt, for one so young that is blinking well commendable-

"trust the coaches|" ? what ?no way, we will be here supporting our great club when they,ve long long gone!! ,and stick with Dunny and Hoofer Collins, and co, i,d prefer Clark more than any one of em, at this moment in time!!! we dont get paid yes but are well versed in the beautiful game, strewth ive played managed coached ok not at pro level but locally for 40 + years now back to the days when it was a working mans game----sadly it dam well aint now,--all English football fans no matter what club have different views on who should be wearing the shirt its inbred and has been so since time immemorable---its always been a major part of the match day game,

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Bang on Karl fully agree with ya man, Clark aint really let us down whenever he,s donned the shirt, for one so young that is blinking well commendable-

"trust the coaches|" ? what ?no way, we will be here supporting our great club when they,ve long long gone!! ,and stick with Dunny and Hoofer Collins, and co, i,d prefer Clark more than any one of em, at this moment in time!!! we dont get paid yes but are well versed in the beautiful game, strewth ive played managed coached ok not at pro level but locally for 40 + years now back to the days when it was a working mans game----sadly it dam well aint now,--all English football fans no matter what club have different views on who should be wearing the shirt its inbred and has been so since time immemorable---its always been a major part of the match day game,

This post illustrates my point fairly clearly. It is why I was having a hard time understanding a lot of the entitlement stuff on these forums.

I now understand the average English fans view of sports. It is an interesting difference.

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In American sport do you all just sit around accepting everything that is happening at your club because they all obviously must know better than you seeing how they are being paid? :s.

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Quick question. When Clark comes on and does as bad or worse than Collins and Dunne, will you take any blame or accept that you are wrong. No. You will blame AM for being stupid and tap up the next great hope that idiot manager should play.

It is getting redundant and boring. You are not smarter or better informed than the coaches and staff. If you are, by all means get a job with the club. They should notice your genius right away and be grateful for your help.

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In American sport do you all just sit around accepting everything that is happening at your club because they all obviously must know better than you seeing how they are being paid? :s.

I accept they know more than me. And, if they don't perform, we get a new guy. But this constant micromanaging of everything is why it is so hard to be an English athlete. It is why you have not won a world cup in 50 years. It is why Henmen never won anything, and why Murray never will.

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Clarks performances for Villa have justified why he should get a chance in the squad plus he is a young lad who got a few international call ups so should be given the chance and it has become very apparent at villa that cost of wage is being picked over skill ! As its like the manager has to play the highest paid players to justify having them.

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I accept they know more than me. And, if they don't perform, we get a new guy. But this constant micromanaging of everything is why it is so hard to be an English athlete. It is why you have not won a world cup in 50 years. It is why Henmen never won anything, and why Murray never will.

Just one question when did you win a world cup ?

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latest stats taken from the Programme v Canaries---IRO Villa appearances::

pleaase bear in mind Clarky is primarily a central defender,

Dunne 91 apps --4 goals

Collins 79 apps 5 goals

Cuellar 96 apps 3 goals

Warnock 74 apps 2 goals

Albrighton 27 apps 6 goals

Delph 23 apps 1 goal

Bannan 21 apps 2 goals

CLARK 25 apps 4 goals!!

A centre half averaging a goal virtually every 6 games-----come on it don,t come much better than that----not in my book anyway !!!!!!

them managers coaches whatever they are who did,nt pick him --the more fool them i say-----dont forget Dunne n Collins were//are exp;erienced internationals,and for them to have been upstaged by a mere kid might not have been seen as being the "in-house footballing politically correct" thing to do at the time,,

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Clark attacks the ball so well the last time I see a player for villa attack a ball in the box like that was when Laursen played for us !

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he's a young player with top ability and people in the game rate him highly.am is scared so plays the experienced guys cause he thinks they'll get him results.ginger t**t!!

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