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Oh I fully agree with you mate - but the club on its own cant enforce this and it won't anytime soon now the Hillsborough thing has kicked off again.

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here is their end of season vid http://youtu.be/SYaNzSMqIQ8

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That reminds me of an ex.

can i ask what the atmosphere is like in an EPL game? on tv it sounds very dull & bland(with all due respect) no doubt you will have good away days out n that & other clubs are more passionate than others ,..when ive visited away grounds down south with celtic in freindly matches the atmosphere in the home end very poor but freindlys & competitive games are different though

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can i ask what the atmosphere is like in an EPL game? on tv it sounds very dull & bland(with all due respect) no doubt you will have good away days out n that & other clubs are more passionate than others ,..when ive visited away grounds down south with celtic in freindly matches the atmosphere in the home end very poor but freindlys & competitive games are different though

Very variable. Depends on the ground, where you are in that ground and on the opposition too.

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The club have asked for an atmosphere and applaud it when it happens and the footballing authorities are forever banging on about the unique atmosphere within English stadiums.

Well my message to those in charge is you can't have it both ways, fans do not sit down to sing, an atmosphere is an organic thing you can't just turn it on and off so unless fans are seriously stepping out of line leave them to back their team as they see fit.

What sort of a country is this becoming ? when did standing become a dangerous activity ?

To take this to it's literal conclusion a premier league match should go something like this.........The players come out of the tunnel, we all stand to applaud and the ref takes them straight back down the tunnel and 42,000 people are banned.

Completely agree Dorset. Terraces only allow a certain amount of people in, so by standing, nobody is going to get crushed.

The stewards at the Villa are absolutely appalling. Even at the Malaga game they were dick heads in K4.

Edit. Look at the German league, perfect example in every single way, price, passion, high attendances, brilliant atmosphere, great academies, great national team.

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I must admit L4 is reasonably well policed for standing up...but only when it suits them. Vs Sunderland last year I don't remember sitting down nor anyone around me doing so....and no hassle either.

Vs liverpool this year you would of needed a hot iron to get some to stand up and join in....meaning those like me who are deludedly bad singers and chanters have to do it sat down or expect a tap on the shoulder. Stewards were equally acting quickily.

This is some of my fault, I choose to sit in L4 and therefore can't expect a K4 atmosphere.

My view, and it may stir up a hornets nest.....if you want to sit through a entire game sit in one of the other 3 stands with other like minded fans...if you want to be a part of one of the best EPL atmospheres join in in the Holte...which may including standing up.

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I think there is way more to this than meets the eye, I remember when that brigada member used to come on here talking of an atmosphere etc and it all sounded like a very sensible person trying to do a good thing, all up until you start seeing pictures with faces blurred which is only done for one reason and one reason only.

Now if you believe that a group of lads who blur their faces to protect their identity handed over their tickets with no confrontation whatsoever then fine but IMO that's probably not how it happened, obviously you can't be sure of that but that's my view in it.

As for standing, I think it should be allowed but where it is not hindering anyone else's experience, that's why whenever I go to the villa I get tickets in the upper holte whenever possible, if I can't get tickets their i know i'm probably not going to experience the same atmosphere. The stewards in the upper holte don't really fuss from my experience, last time I was there I was stood with b6 and Loyal and they commented in the fact that it looked like there were too many people stood there and not enough seats, they looked at a couple people's tickets and then just went away.

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i really dont get it, my missus read the rules to me and told me i cant stand up and i laughed before i bought the tickets for the newcastle game. i had a complete turn around of opinion when i went after the shamrock rovers game though. thers loads of kids at the stadium and its meant to be a day out fo all. theres plenty of reason not just including safety as a matter towards standing up, but the language used by alot and the anger also by ppl screaming at players and telling them where to go. i make sure my son isnt in the room when i watch villa as i dont want him to witness some of the sh*t that comes out of my mouth.

if u get kicked out of a game because u are doing somethin thats not right, then u only have to blame urself. i agree that the atmosphere will take a plummet because u cant scream and shout all u like while standing. but the match is not just about u. its about everyone there. i wish it could just be about ppl like me that want to have a few pints before the match and scream the referee is a w**ker when a decision doesnt go villas way. but the rules state otherwise.

dont even understand why this thread is open to agree or disagree. if u break the rules and get thrown out, to me its pretty simple.

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I found this on the FSF website..

Many supporters believe that it is illegal to stand at football matches in the Premier League or Championship but this is not actually the case. Although clubs are allowed to throw you out if you refuse to sit. Confused? You're not the only one. Read on for a full explanation as to the law on standing and how it is implemented in all-seater stadiums. THE LAW ON STANDING AREAS The legislation relating to standing in football grounds derives from section 11 of the Football Spectators Act 1989: ‘The Secretary of State may, by order, direct the licensing authority to include in any licence to admit spectators to any specified premises a condition imposing requirements as respects the seating of spectators at designated football matches at the premises; and it shall be the duty of the authority to comply with the direction.’ Initially it was planned that all Football League Clubs should convert to all-seater status. This was subsequently amended to include just the top two divisions. A similar amendment to allow standing in the Premiership and Championship is also quite possible and would not need a new Act of Parliament. In England and Wales, standing is permitted at rugby union and rugby league venues, as well as at speedway and horse-racing. It is also permitted at football grounds outside the top two divisions. We see no justification why top level football clubs should be treated differently. THE LAW ON STANDING IN ALL-SEATED GROUNDS Ever since the introduction of all-seater stadia, many supporters have continued to stand in front of their seats, often for the duration of the game. It is widely believed that this practice is illegal. This is not the case, even within Premier League and Championship grounds. The law only provides that these clubs should provide seats for all supporters, not that supporters must sit on them. The point is confirmed by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport: ‘At no point has it been argued that the individual spectator commits a criminal offence by standing in a seated area’ (Source: Letter to Football Supporters’ Federation, 2008) Standing in seated areas, is, however, contrary to ground regulations. For example, the Football League’s model set of ground regulations states: ‘Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground’. It is notable that the two rules are contradictory, the first bars all ‘standing’, the second only ‘persistent standing’. In practice, standing to go to the toilet or snack bar and standing at ‘moments of excitement’ is permitted. The boundary between ‘moments of excitement’ and ‘persistent’ is rather grey and open to very wide interpretation. CRIMINAL AND CIVIL LAW There are two types of law, criminal law and civil law. Criminal laws are offences against the state (‘illegal acts’), such as smoking in enclosed public places. Police may become involved with enforcing criminal laws. Civil laws are contracts between two parties, such as agreements to purchase home insurance. The ground regulations of a club (including the ban on persistent standing) form a contract between the supporter and the club. Entering the stadium is a tacit agreement to accept the ground regulations. By standing, the supporter is in breach of that contract. This is a civil, not a criminal matter. Therefore, a supporter cannot be arrested simply for standing. For that reason, it is not a matter that the police should be involved in, unless (for example) a supporter assaults a steward asking to get people to sit down; that would be a criminal offence. STANDING IN SEATED AREAS – CLUB APPROACHES Since standing is an issue between clubs and supporters, it is up to individual clubs how they deal with it. Certain clubs are very strict in attempting to tackle this practice, taking measures such as ejecting people who stand. These practices can create significant public order problems, while there is little evidence of them being effective. Other clubs take a more relaxed approach to this, particularly where it is not causing problems.‘We take a somewhat relaxed view on (standing) provided the individuals are not causing annoyance to other spectators or obstructing other spectators views.’ (Club safety officer in correspondence with FSF member) ‘A measure of persistent standing should be tolerated” (Premier League chief executive – Source: FLA board minutes, May 2006) Pending more formal revision of the regulations relating to standing, we support sensible approaches such as these as a way of improving the matchday experience for supporters and stewards alike.

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rule no10 on the villa web page

10. Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the Ground.

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2642722,00.html

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